Comments on: Authority: Working Under the Top http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2005/11/03/authority-working-under-the-top the home of Nathan Colquhoun Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:45:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Brady http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2005/11/03/authority-working-under-the-top#comment-428 Brady Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-428 Interesting subject and a tough one at that. The reality of it is, it doesn't matter who you are or what you want to do for the Lord. You will be tested to see if you are worhty of further responsiblity. How and why we act towards authority of any kind. In ourselves we ALL have that sinful nature that has to come under authority, to everything. The law, don't kill people, the police, don't speed. the church, please do what we ask or please don't do this or that because we want to show to the community that we have these certain standards so people will trust us with their children. <br /> Then there is the inevitable at some point and time there will be a conflict, no maybes about it. It has to happen, for both parties to grow. In our sinful nature we don't want to submit to anyone, because that means we give up part of ourselves to that person and no one deserves that right over us. I guess that just really means we can't trust God enough to take care of things and we will be in rebellion. We just need to learn to let go and let God. It's tough. But do able. Lots of people have done it and they have survied. And they have learn a valueable lesson. There is also something here that is also very influential and persuasive that has a very powerful effect on others, weather for good or bad, that we don't realize it. It's what we SAY and DO that others watch and are effected by, in the positive or the negative. That is the authority we have over others, and it's just because we are alive and live next to them in this life God has granted to us. We don't need to pound our fists, stomp our feet, we will effect everyone we come in contact with. Sins of omission or sins of comission, the same we ALL have to repent of any sin. Not my rules but I have to live by them regardless, but I'm different I want to LIVE by them. Because when it's all said and done, it's going to come down to one thing, being obediant to His will not mine, learning to be submissive is one of the teachings of Jesus, submitting to the will of God, the Word of God, the way of the people good or evil. Didn't He say don't pervent an evil person. The pastor who is just a man, not perfect by any means, (I wonder how good of a job we would do in his place, probably not as good, and remember that pastor is trying to follow the same God as you, just in a different roll), why not get along side of him and partner with him in the same goals. And get to praying with him, make it your goal to get so close so as to know is he truly a man of God or just someone you don't understand and don't care to. Interesting subject and a tough one at that. The reality of it is, it doesn’t matter who you are or what you want to do for the Lord. You will be tested to see if you are worhty of further responsiblity. How and why we act towards authority of any kind. In ourselves we ALL have that sinful nature that has to come under authority, to everything. The law, don’t kill people, the police, don’t speed. the church, please do what we ask or please don’t do this or that because we want to show to the community that we have these certain standards so people will trust us with their children.
Then there is the inevitable at some point and time there will be a conflict, no maybes about it. It has to happen, for both parties to grow. In our sinful nature we don’t want to submit to anyone, because that means we give up part of ourselves to that person and no one deserves that right over us. I guess that just really means we can’t trust God enough to take care of things and we will be in rebellion. We just need to learn to let go and let God. It’s tough. But do able. Lots of people have done it and they have survied. And they have learn a valueable lesson. There is also something here that is also very influential and persuasive that has a very powerful effect on others, weather for good or bad, that we don’t realize it. It’s what we SAY and DO that others watch and are effected by, in the positive or the negative. That is the authority we have over others, and it’s just because we are alive and live next to them in this life God has granted to us. We don’t need to pound our fists, stomp our feet, we will effect everyone we come in contact with. Sins of omission or sins of comission, the same we ALL have to repent of any sin. Not my rules but I have to live by them regardless, but I’m different I want to LIVE by them. Because when it’s all said and done, it’s going to come down to one thing, being obediant to His will not mine, learning to be submissive is one of the teachings of Jesus, submitting to the will of God, the Word of God, the way of the people good or evil. Didn’t He say don’t pervent an evil person. The pastor who is just a man, not perfect by any means, (I wonder how good of a job we would do in his place, probably not as good, and remember that pastor is trying to follow the same God as you, just in a different roll), why not get along side of him and partner with him in the same goals. And get to praying with him, make it your goal to get so close so as to know is he truly a man of God or just someone you don’t understand and don’t care to.

]]> By: Janet Piccolo http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2005/11/03/authority-working-under-the-top#comment-437 Janet Piccolo Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-437 OK. This sort of works too, but what if the church is the Pastor's (insert name here)church and it is very clear that in his decision making, the church is being ripped apart? Our family has come along side the Pastor (we're leaders in the church) and trying to support him. But what if what he's doing is not in line with what he said he has a vision for? How long do you wait and try to influence before you just give up? He is a man after all, broken like the rest of us. Fallable. I guess I just don't get where submissiobn to the will of God starts when we're busy submitting to the will of men. Yeesh, sorry if I sound frustrated. OK. This sort of works too, but what if the church is the Pastor’s (insert name here)church and it is very clear that in his decision making, the church is being ripped apart? Our family has come along side the Pastor (we’re leaders in the church) and trying to support him. But what if what he’s doing is not in line with what he said he has a vision for? How long do you wait and try to influence before you just give up? He is a man after all, broken like the rest of us. Fallable. I guess I just don’t get where submissiobn to the will of God starts when we’re busy submitting to the will of men. Yeesh, sorry if I sound frustrated.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2005/11/03/authority-working-under-the-top#comment-440 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-440 Ask yourself "Is this the church that Jesus died for?" If you come to the conclusion that no its not, maybe possibly you haven't been part of a church at all. I won't advise you to leave, or to stay really, i don't think i'm in that place at all. Talk with your leadership, pray with people that hold you accountable and make a decision, maybe its time to move to a church where you can fully live out the gospel in comunity, maybe its time to start a comunity like that that or maybe you need to just stay for the long transition, God could use you anywhere. <br /> <br /> You have a good heart though, keep that in mind that he is fallable, like the rest of us. He is misguided maybe, and never be afraid to test yourself, sometimes we are misguided in our thougts of others being that way.<br /> <br /> Submission to Christ ALWAYS comes before any submission to men, submission to Christ just usually encompasses much submission to all men.<br /> Ask yourself “Is this the church that Jesus died for?” If you come to the conclusion that no its not, maybe possibly you haven’t been part of a church at all. I won’t advise you to leave, or to stay really, i don’t think i’m in that place at all. Talk with your leadership, pray with people that hold you accountable and make a decision, maybe its time to move to a church where you can fully live out the gospel in comunity, maybe its time to start a comunity like that that or maybe you need to just stay for the long transition, God could use you anywhere.

You have a good heart though, keep that in mind that he is fallable, like the rest of us. He is misguided maybe, and never be afraid to test yourself, sometimes we are misguided in our thougts of others being that way.

Submission to Christ ALWAYS comes before any submission to men, submission to Christ just usually encompasses much submission to all men.

]]> By: Janet Piccolo http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2005/11/03/authority-working-under-the-top#comment-483 Janet Piccolo Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-483 Thank you. We continue to pray about this stuff. Waiting for after Thanksgiving holiday to start the conversation with Pastor. Have truly enjoyed reading your series as well! Thank you. We continue to pray about this stuff. Waiting for after Thanksgiving holiday to start the conversation with Pastor. Have truly enjoyed reading your series as well!

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