Comments on: Good and Bad Leaders http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2008/01/28/good-and-bad-leaders the home of Nathan Colquhoun Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:52:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: James http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2008/01/28/good-and-bad-leaders#comment-1908 James Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1908 beautifully put. cheers, to leading by example. beautifully put. cheers, to leading by example.

]]> By: Pistol Pete http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2008/01/28/good-and-bad-leaders#comment-1909 Pistol Pete Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1909 You write: "The problem with this is that the basis of good and bad leadership is based on control, which Im learning is usually a breeding ground for trouble."<br /> <br /> This has not been my experience at all. Good leadership inspires; it doesn't control. Bad leadership diminishes, perhaps, but only controls if we let it.<br /> <br /> I find that often leaders are more controlled by those in the position to follow (or not follow). You can only lead if someone tags along behind you. You write: “The problem with this is that the basis of good and bad leadership is based on control, which Im learning is usually a breeding ground for trouble.”

This has not been my experience at all. Good leadership inspires; it doesn’t control. Bad leadership diminishes, perhaps, but only controls if we let it.

I find that often leaders are more controlled by those in the position to follow (or not follow). You can only lead if someone tags along behind you.

]]> By: nathan colquhoun http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2008/01/28/good-and-bad-leaders#comment-1910 nathan colquhoun Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1910 Hey Pete.<br /> <br /> I wasn't saying that's what I beleive, I was saying that is the pattern that I see in leadership and where we put them into our lives. We want leaders to control us because its easier. We want to make one decision to have a 'king' and then let them make our decisions for us.<br /> <br /> So as a public we usually consider good leaders to be ones who make good decisions for us and bad ones who make bad decisions for us, where I'm saying exactly what you are that good leaders should be the ones that inspire us, not control us. Hey Pete.

I wasn’t saying that’s what I beleive, I was saying that is the pattern that I see in leadership and where we put them into our lives. We want leaders to control us because its easier. We want to make one decision to have a ‘king’ and then let them make our decisions for us.

So as a public we usually consider good leaders to be ones who make good decisions for us and bad ones who make bad decisions for us, where I’m saying exactly what you are that good leaders should be the ones that inspire us, not control us.

]]> By: Pistol Pete http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2008/01/28/good-and-bad-leaders#comment-1912 Pistol Pete Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1912 I see what you mean. And yes, I do see that tendency in some folks. Interesting, within this group of folks I see two extremes. Some folks want to hand over all decision making to leaders so they can complain about the outcome. Others hand over the decision making then engage in hero worship regardless of the outcome. I see what you mean. And yes, I do see that tendency in some folks. Interesting, within this group of folks I see two extremes. Some folks want to hand over all decision making to leaders so they can complain about the outcome. Others hand over the decision making then engage in hero worship regardless of the outcome.

]]> By: don http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2008/01/28/good-and-bad-leaders#comment-1913 don Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1913 nathan ... this is great. you are onto something. kingdom leadership is going to ( have to ) look different. lambrick park church is on the horns of this dilemma as we type ... today is my last day on staff. <br /> <br /> a small core desire a king ( to be like other nations? ) and my style is quite different. mike todd ( waving or drowning ) takes the influence concelt another level ... he talks about currency. Bono has currency, and uses it well. Michael Jordan had influence, and may have squandered it, missed opportunity to take vast resources and create currency. it is great to be able to lead from earned relational influence and currency ... and not from positional power ( bases ). keep on thinking on this. nathan … this is great. you are onto something. kingdom leadership is going to ( have to ) look different. lambrick park church is on the horns of this dilemma as we type … today is my last day on staff.

a small core desire a king ( to be like other nations? ) and my style is quite different. mike todd ( waving or drowning ) takes the influence concelt another level … he talks about currency. Bono has currency, and uses it well. Michael Jordan had influence, and may have squandered it, missed opportunity to take vast resources and create currency. it is great to be able to lead from earned relational influence and currency … and not from positional power ( bases ). keep on thinking on this.

]]> By: don http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2008/01/28/good-and-bad-leaders#comment-1915 don Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1915 nathan ... this popped up on one of our staff members' blog ( James Kingsley aka Jimmy K is also moving back to London in May 2008 ... you guys should really meet ).<br /> <br /> http://kingsleytribute.notlong.com<br /> <br /> kind of explains my previous post re: a certain style of leadership vs "big dawg" ... nathan … this popped up on one of our staff members’ blog ( James Kingsley aka Jimmy K is also moving back to London in May 2008 … you guys should really meet ).

http://kingsleytribute.notlong.com

kind of explains my previous post re: a certain style of leadership vs “big dawg” …

]]> By: John http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2008/01/28/good-and-bad-leaders#comment-1923 John Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1923 I think it's a mistake to assume that all forms of leadership can or should be the same.<br /> <br /> Importing either business or governmental leadership styles into the kingdom misses the point of what happens in God's kingdom. I definitely like what you're onto in that regard Nathan.<br /> <br /> But, I do believe that life is full of situations where you need leaders to actually decide things, often on behalf on others. Israel asked for a king, yes, but they already had a leader, they had a Judge. Leadership wasn't the issue there in my view. Having a Judge didn't match up well to the pretige of a King like their peers had.<br /> More of an original "keeping up with the Jones'" going on I think. I think it’s a mistake to assume that all forms of leadership can or should be the same.

Importing either business or governmental leadership styles into the kingdom misses the point of what happens in God’s kingdom. I definitely like what you’re onto in that regard Nathan.

But, I do believe that life is full of situations where you need leaders to actually decide things, often on behalf on others. Israel asked for a king, yes, but they already had a leader, they had a Judge. Leadership wasn’t the issue there in my view. Having a Judge didn’t match up well to the pretige of a King like their peers had.
More of an original “keeping up with the Jones’” going on I think.

]]> By: Scott l Brooks http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2008/01/28/good-and-bad-leaders#comment-2226 Scott l Brooks Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-2226 I DO agree with much that was said, and I have to say beautifully put my friend. altho in my experience it is not that the leaders or the followers that all ways want a leader with absolute power for "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."(John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton) but simply people want a leader who can point the way, and not walk the path for them. Also that it's not the leaders lust for power but their way of leading them. For a bad leader will often take the path of least resistance to gain power and respect(which is often lost). While the good leader will take a path that slowly leads them to their position and often they did not desire the position but were just a strong enough person to point out the flaws in the designed and planned lives that have been put in place by those who have little care for the peoples welfare. <br /> When ever I hear of a great leader or a leader doomed to fail I am automatically thrown into a conversation that will never have a simple answer, but through these long and drawn out conversations I have found that there are many broad and yet ever so narrow views on leadership put forth by people who are so content on having others lead their lives for them, instead of living life as it should be. As in my eye that way on life is one with many chooses not a pre made choose handed to ones self and so readily accepted that most have little to no time to consider it for them self's and how it will affect theirs and every one else's lives.<br /> well these were my thoughts and I am so glade that I am not the only one who sits at home thinking about this in the dark while others play in their beautiful ignorance, so thank you for putting that out there. =) I DO agree with much that was said, and I have to say beautifully put my friend. altho in my experience it is not that the leaders or the followers that all ways want a leader with absolute power for “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”(John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton) but simply people want a leader who can point the way, and not walk the path for them. Also that it’s not the leaders lust for power but their way of leading them. For a bad leader will often take the path of least resistance to gain power and respect(which is often lost). While the good leader will take a path that slowly leads them to their position and often they did not desire the position but were just a strong enough person to point out the flaws in the designed and planned lives that have been put in place by those who have little care for the peoples welfare.
When ever I hear of a great leader or a leader doomed to fail I am automatically thrown into a conversation that will never have a simple answer, but through these long and drawn out conversations I have found that there are many broad and yet ever so narrow views on leadership put forth by people who are so content on having others lead their lives for them, instead of living life as it should be. As in my eye that way on life is one with many chooses not a pre made choose handed to ones self and so readily accepted that most have little to no time to consider it for them self’s and how it will affect theirs and every one else’s lives.
well these were my thoughts and I am so glade that I am not the only one who sits at home thinking about this in the dark while others play in their beautiful ignorance, so thank you for putting that out there. =)

]]> By: hapil http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2008/01/28/good-and-bad-leaders#comment-2284 hapil Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-2284 Excellent Excellent

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