Comments on: Everyone’s Perspective is Right http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2008/03/27/everyone-s-perspective-is-right the home of Nathan Colquhoun Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:45:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Brenda Melles http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2008/03/27/everyone-s-perspective-is-right#comment-1970 Brenda Melles Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1970 hi nathan. we haven't met, but i am a friend of al and garry's from kingston so know your name and blog through the church plant crowd. struck me from reading this post that you might be interested in cognitive behavioural therapy. CBT's name for what you call "perspective" is "belief". the worldview of this therapy is that beliefs are what drive everything about us, including our feelings, behaviour etc. one model is ABC - activating event, belief, consequence. the activitating event can be trivial or profound. the point is, though we all might have the same activating event, what sits in the middle - our belief about what the event means or how it was motivated - is what drives the consequence for us. change the belief; change the consequence. your post reminded me of this whole CBT world, which has been transformative for a lot of people. thanks for what you write. have a great day. bren hi nathan. we haven’t met, but i am a friend of al and garry’s from kingston so know your name and blog through the church plant crowd. struck me from reading this post that you might be interested in cognitive behavioural therapy. CBT’s name for what you call “perspective” is “belief”. the worldview of this therapy is that beliefs are what drive everything about us, including our feelings, behaviour etc. one model is ABC – activating event, belief, consequence. the activitating event can be trivial or profound. the point is, though we all might have the same activating event, what sits in the middle – our belief about what the event means or how it was motivated – is what drives the consequence for us. change the belief; change the consequence. your post reminded me of this whole CBT world, which has been transformative for a lot of people. thanks for what you write. have a great day. bren

]]> By: nathan http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2008/03/27/everyone-s-perspective-is-right#comment-1971 nathan Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1971 Brenda, that's awesome, thank-you so much for the comment, I'll be sure to ready into this, its quite intriguing.<br /> <br /> I think I have heard of you also, in fact I think your mom taught me at Tyndale if I am not mistaken. Is your maiden name Posterski?<br /> <br /> Brenda, that’s awesome, thank-you so much for the comment, I’ll be sure to ready into this, its quite intriguing.

I think I have heard of you also, in fact I think your mom taught me at Tyndale if I am not mistaken. Is your maiden name Posterski?

]]> By: Bren http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2008/03/27/everyone-s-perspective-is-right#comment-1972 Bren Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1972 yip, that's my mom. glad you were intrigued. try reading something by albert ellis, who is one of the main CBT guys. i find it interesting that beliefs have so much power, and that they can be changed, and that changing a belief can change everything else. by they way, saw a sign outside of a signshop in kingston yesterday - the kind of shop that sells custom-made nice numbers for your house - and it said "colquhoun". who knew there was more than just you? :-) yip, that’s my mom. glad you were intrigued. try reading something by albert ellis, who is one of the main CBT guys. i find it interesting that beliefs have so much power, and that they can be changed, and that changing a belief can change everything else. by they way, saw a sign outside of a signshop in kingston yesterday – the kind of shop that sells custom-made nice numbers for your house – and it said “colquhoun”. who knew there was more than just you? :-)

]]> By: nancy http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2008/03/27/everyone-s-perspective-is-right#comment-1973 nancy Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1973 interesting post.<br /> after some experiences tody, this post reminds me of God's grace for us. interesting post.
after some experiences tody, this post reminds me of God’s grace for us.

]]> By: DVV http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2008/03/27/everyone-s-perspective-is-right#comment-1978 DVV Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1978 Nathan,<br /> <br /> I have been reading your blogs and find it very interesting. You made the statement that everyone's persepective is right, I'm hoping that you mean it is right to them, for there are many whose perspective I don't see as right but their perspectives fly in the face of scripture. My understanding of relativism is basically that there are not rights or wrongs, that it is a very subjective way of looking at things and as I see it, a very self focused model that says I am right irrelevant of what anyone else says. Example: a young boy is raised in a home where he is taught from day one that woman are second class citizens, they have no rights, they are properties to be owned and used and he has no respect for them other than personal pleasures. He therefore treats woman with no respect, uses them for sexual gain, is abusive, and says he is completely justified in what he is doing. According to your view, you are saying that he is right in his perspective and that I am to respect it. I don't think so. I will respect him as a person as he is one of God's creatures, but what he holds to be true is contrary to what the scriptures say and I dont' believe that this person can be changed by changing his behavior, there is a need for a beleif change before there can be an outward change. Isn't this what Christ came to do, to make us new creatures in Christ. He renews the heart as as a result the behaviors shouold change.<br /> I like CBT, however it requires us to change one's belief system, to what? And here lies the problem, for in a world that embraces relativism, whose beleif system do we give. I can think of only one absolute and that is the scriptures. Move outside this and you set up major problems.<br /> Say hello to the family.<br /> <br /> Uncle Doug Nathan,

I have been reading your blogs and find it very interesting. You made the statement that everyone’s persepective is right, I’m hoping that you mean it is right to them, for there are many whose perspective I don’t see as right but their perspectives fly in the face of scripture. My understanding of relativism is basically that there are not rights or wrongs, that it is a very subjective way of looking at things and as I see it, a very self focused model that says I am right irrelevant of what anyone else says. Example: a young boy is raised in a home where he is taught from day one that woman are second class citizens, they have no rights, they are properties to be owned and used and he has no respect for them other than personal pleasures. He therefore treats woman with no respect, uses them for sexual gain, is abusive, and says he is completely justified in what he is doing. According to your view, you are saying that he is right in his perspective and that I am to respect it. I don’t think so. I will respect him as a person as he is one of God’s creatures, but what he holds to be true is contrary to what the scriptures say and I dont’ believe that this person can be changed by changing his behavior, there is a need for a beleif change before there can be an outward change. Isn’t this what Christ came to do, to make us new creatures in Christ. He renews the heart as as a result the behaviors shouold change.
I like CBT, however it requires us to change one’s belief system, to what? And here lies the problem, for in a world that embraces relativism, whose beleif system do we give. I can think of only one absolute and that is the scriptures. Move outside this and you set up major problems.
Say hello to the family.

Uncle Doug

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2008/03/27/everyone-s-perspective-is-right#comment-1979 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1979 Hi Uncle Doug, I don't know if you and me are saying anything all that different. Here is what I said right after everyone's perspective is right "However, the conclusions that are drawn from perspectives can certainly be inaccurate."<br /> <br /> You said <br /> "I don't believe that this person can be changed by changing his behavior, there is a need for a beleif change before there can be an outward change."<br /> <br /> And I think your right on and agree fully, behaviour is a mere consequence of belief, changing behaviour doesn't solve the issue. Behaviour is a bi-product.<br /> <br /> The belief system does have to change, and hopefully its one that Christ lives in giving us value and realizing that we are made in his image. Hi Uncle Doug, I don’t know if you and me are saying anything all that different. Here is what I said right after everyone’s perspective is right “However, the conclusions that are drawn from perspectives can certainly be inaccurate.”

You said
“I don’t believe that this person can be changed by changing his behavior, there is a need for a beleif change before there can be an outward change.”

And I think your right on and agree fully, behaviour is a mere consequence of belief, changing behaviour doesn’t solve the issue. Behaviour is a bi-product.

The belief system does have to change, and hopefully its one that Christ lives in giving us value and realizing that we are made in his image.

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