Comments on: Invite-Only Conferences, Big Churches, Small Pay Checks and Old Cranky Men http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2009/05/31/invite-only-conferences-big-churches-sma the home of Nathan Colquhoun Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:45:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Chris http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2009/05/31/invite-only-conferences-big-churches-sma#comment-2265 Chris Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-2265 "For once I would love to see a big church that sacrifices itself for the small church. For once Id love to see a powerful pastor sacrifice himself for a no-name one."<br /> <br /> It's probably happening more than you know but the givers and the receivers in those situations just aren't talking about it. “For once I would love to see a big church that sacrifices itself for the small church. For once Id love to see a powerful pastor sacrifice himself for a no-name one.”

It’s probably happening more than you know but the givers and the receivers in those situations just aren’t talking about it.

]]> By: nathan colquhoun http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2009/05/31/invite-only-conferences-big-churches-sma#comment-2266 nathan colquhoun Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-2266 I hope so. Because around here...at least from what I see, I just see powerful pastors trying to beef up their own resumes and little kingdoms and drag away local pastors from their congregations and into theirs. <br /> <br /> Normally I'm more optimistic. So thanks for the reminder. I hope so. Because around here…at least from what I see, I just see powerful pastors trying to beef up their own resumes and little kingdoms and drag away local pastors from their congregations and into theirs.

Normally I’m more optimistic. So thanks for the reminder.

]]> By: James Shelley http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2009/05/31/invite-only-conferences-big-churches-sma#comment-2267 James Shelley Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-2267 I loved this post. And I love you, Nathan (in a completely platonic, heterosexual way, of course...) I loved this post. And I love you, Nathan (in a completely platonic, heterosexual way, of course…)

]]> By: JT http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2009/05/31/invite-only-conferences-big-churches-sma#comment-2268 JT Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-2268 Invite only conferences? Fuck 'em. I genuinely hope some sort of good comes from that sort of thing. But with all of that money/hype/power flying around, forgive me if I'm a tad bit skeptical.<br /> <br /> As far as being the 'little guy' surrounded by big guys, as long as you're doing good, keep it up. Praying for yall.<br /> <br /> Peace. Invite only conferences? Fuck ‘em. I genuinely hope some sort of good comes from that sort of thing. But with all of that money/hype/power flying around, forgive me if I’m a tad bit skeptical.

As far as being the ‘little guy’ surrounded by big guys, as long as you’re doing good, keep it up. Praying for yall.

Peace.

]]> By: JR http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2009/05/31/invite-only-conferences-big-churches-sma#comment-2269 JR Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-2269 <br /> Maybe because it's late when I read this post, I see it as being very petty and a bit ignorant. (yikes, I rarely use those words!) I think you've crossed a bit of a line, honestly. Pointing fingers at pastors of 'big churches' saying they're mispending their money because they're not doing what YOU believe is best for their salaries is lame. Perhaps a better approach would be to encourage people to support their pastors in their churches...and to TITHE! :) Congregations are responsible to support their pastors! You paint a very jaded picture of the big churches, and that's unfortunate. A lot of them are trying to do the very same thing you are. To be salt and light in this world, in their spheres. Why are you knocking it? Be faithful with what you're given. Stop making judgments on things you don't KNOW. Pray for them instead! Stop being divisive and starting BEING the church, as you claim to be. Amazing things happen when unity happens.<br /> <br /> OK, my rant is over too. That does feel good ;) Maybe because it’s late when I read this post, I see it as being very petty and a bit ignorant. (yikes, I rarely use those words!) I think you’ve crossed a bit of a line, honestly. Pointing fingers at pastors of ‘big churches’ saying they’re mispending their money because they’re not doing what YOU believe is best for their salaries is lame. Perhaps a better approach would be to encourage people to support their pastors in their churches…and to TITHE! :) Congregations are responsible to support their pastors! You paint a very jaded picture of the big churches, and that’s unfortunate. A lot of them are trying to do the very same thing you are. To be salt and light in this world, in their spheres. Why are you knocking it? Be faithful with what you’re given. Stop making judgments on things you don’t KNOW. Pray for them instead! Stop being divisive and starting BEING the church, as you claim to be. Amazing things happen when unity happens.

OK, my rant is over too. That does feel good ;)

]]> By: gd http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2009/05/31/invite-only-conferences-big-churches-sma#comment-2270 gd Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-2270 I agree with JR. I agree with JR.

]]> By: Wayne Prevett http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2009/05/31/invite-only-conferences-big-churches-sma#comment-2271 Wayne Prevett Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-2271 The greatest amoung you are the least of all. The greatest amoung you are the least of all.

]]> By: Rob http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2009/05/31/invite-only-conferences-big-churches-sma#comment-2272 Rob Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-2272 WOW! Such a sweeping statement of certainty on the pastors of "big churches". God knows I have had my issues with pastors and church leadership over things over the years but when it comes down to it I have to put my faith in the fact that most pastors and leaders really do care about the smaller churches and the community around them. <br /> I think the bigger issue that should be ranted about if the need be is with those pew warmers in churches big and small that squeeze their wallets so tight at offering time that I am surprised they don't have a stroke from the effort. <br /> In a small church how many attend? How many have an income? How many give at all let alone the minimum tithe? Emphasize minimum. How many think to bless the pastor and his family with money or food or whatever over and above a tithe ?<br /> A very wise man you know Nathan once said that if all the people in the church tithed there would be money to burn. Ask me about it I will tell you who.<br /> We all have bad days or years and need to rant but have some faith in the kingdom builders around you. You have no idea what they may be doing with their 70K a year.<br /> Maybe you need some good wings and some conversation. Let me know.<br /> <br /> WOW! Such a sweeping statement of certainty on the pastors of “big churches”. God knows I have had my issues with pastors and church leadership over things over the years but when it comes down to it I have to put my faith in the fact that most pastors and leaders really do care about the smaller churches and the community around them.
I think the bigger issue that should be ranted about if the need be is with those pew warmers in churches big and small that squeeze their wallets so tight at offering time that I am surprised they don’t have a stroke from the effort.
In a small church how many attend? How many have an income? How many give at all let alone the minimum tithe? Emphasize minimum. How many think to bless the pastor and his family with money or food or whatever over and above a tithe ?
A very wise man you know Nathan once said that if all the people in the church tithed there would be money to burn. Ask me about it I will tell you who.
We all have bad days or years and need to rant but have some faith in the kingdom builders around you. You have no idea what they may be doing with their 70K a year.
Maybe you need some good wings and some conversation. Let me know.

]]> By: Nathan Colquhoun http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2009/05/31/invite-only-conferences-big-churches-sma#comment-2273 Nathan Colquhoun Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-2273 1. I'm not ranting on all big churches. Just most of them. They can take it, they have the budgets and the man power to boost their self esteem to a point where they don't have to listen to people like me.<br /> <br /> 2. Instead of "congregations are responsible to support their pastors", how about Christians are responsible to support each other. Not just their pastors. I'm pretty sure Paul was ragging on other communities to support the ones that couldn't support themselves.<br /> <br /> 3. I'm not talking about my church, and I'm not even talking about churches in Sarnia. Thanks for the encouragement though, I don't feel to beat up by any means, but the rant was based on a few things I've seen over the last few months with friends in other churches.<br /> <br /> 4. Rob you are right...I'd just like to see leaders lead by example, so I'll keep yelling at them.<br /> <br /> 5. Finally, I'm tired of being told I'm not a big supporter of unity. It makes no sense. Why would I support unity around ideas that are false and anti-kingdom? Give me something (like Jesus) to be unified around and I'm all about it, but it makes no sense to cry unity when what your asking me to unify around is a bad idea.<br /> 1. I’m not ranting on all big churches. Just most of them. They can take it, they have the budgets and the man power to boost their self esteem to a point where they don’t have to listen to people like me.

2. Instead of “congregations are responsible to support their pastors”, how about Christians are responsible to support each other. Not just their pastors. I’m pretty sure Paul was ragging on other communities to support the ones that couldn’t support themselves.

3. I’m not talking about my church, and I’m not even talking about churches in Sarnia. Thanks for the encouragement though, I don’t feel to beat up by any means, but the rant was based on a few things I’ve seen over the last few months with friends in other churches.

4. Rob you are right…I’d just like to see leaders lead by example, so I’ll keep yelling at them.

5. Finally, I’m tired of being told I’m not a big supporter of unity. It makes no sense. Why would I support unity around ideas that are false and anti-kingdom? Give me something (like Jesus) to be unified around and I’m all about it, but it makes no sense to cry unity when what your asking me to unify around is a bad idea.

]]> By: dan http://www.nathancolquhoun.com/2009/05/31/invite-only-conferences-big-churches-sma#comment-2278 dan Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-2278 I'm with you, Nathan. I've always had doubts about Q. ;)<br /> <br /> Oh, and don't be put off by wolves with sheep's arguments. I’m with you, Nathan. I’ve always had doubts about Q. ;)

Oh, and don’t be put off by wolves with sheep’s arguments.

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